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Author Topic: Helen Thomas and her "anti-Semitic" comments  (Read 104 times)
xandrames
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« on: June 11, 2010, 02:38:36 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/06/ari-fleischer-helen-thomas-fired/

So according to Ari Fleischer (press secretary for W), Helen Thomas, the mastermind journalist who has covered every president since Eisenhower, should be fired for her "anti-Semitic" comments.

Even Obama called her comments "offensive." The Anti-Defamation League derided her, etc. 

Her controversial comments (for which she has since apologized for) were: "Tell [Israel] to get the hell out of Palestine. Remember, these people are occupied and it's their land -- not German, not Polish. So they should just go home -- to Germany, Poland, and everywhere else." She is referring to the Jews claiming aaliyah to return to the Promised Land (promised first by God, and then promised by the British to at least two large "meta-ethnic" groups). See the video of the comments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcQdWBqt14.

The Huffington Post blog item (by MJ Rosenberg) on this is slightly more intelligent: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/why-did-obama-diss-helen_b_165544.html. He asks (and I presume he is Jewish), what does Obama feel when he sees the horrible murder and destruction in Gaza? (Is it the categorical answer, "Israel has the right to defend itself"? Or is it, "if I was there, then those kids would have been my own children"?)

I will make a more controversial leap. Even Ahmadinejad has been saying similar lines: "Israel should be [politically] wiped off the map" ; "why did they [the Jews] start occupying Palestine, when they were wronged by the Nazis (if they was 'Holocaust' at all)? Why couldn't they colonize Germany or some other European party to the 'Holocaust'?"

Of course, we should take the usual caution against someone who questions the Nazi Holocaust, but isn't the rest equivalent to Thomas's comments.

(This is completely unrelated and may even be a trollism, but Helen Thomas has Arab heritage.)

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2010, 12:03:23 PM »

Tangent alert!

People get really riled up about this and related topics. This is because it is really easy for so many people to claim descent from an ethnic/religious group which became insulted in WWII, the conflicts in the Middle East, and European colonialism. Somehow, every person claims that their modern action is justified by historical insult.

I am not claiming that the Holocaust was the basis of Israel's founding. However, it added to the insult. If it wasn't for Americans' discovering Dachau (the Holocaust only became so well-known due to films and photographs released around 50's and 60's -- the veterans didn't immediately talk about it when they came back), would there be as much widespread sympathy/support for Israel (unperturbed by certain unheroic actions by the IDF) by common presumably "Judaeo-Christian" Americans?

Back to Helen Thomas -- she had/has the freedom to say whatever. I am not entirely happy with her "go back to America/Germany/etc." nonsense. Would Native American groups be taken seriously if they proclaimed to everyone else, "go back to Europe" or "go back to Africa"? These words may be very insulting to some (I'm somewhat apathetic). But some of the things she alluded to need to be discussed, not just categorically condemned as anti-Semitic. And I'm also not too happy with her untimely retirement because unlike her young capricious and pretentious opponents, she has the wisdom of experience.
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